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Kilburn Grange Olympic Irish festival causing concern — 8 Comments

  1. It’s 18 days of music but including the erection and dismantling of this the park will be out of action for 25 days. This is already an area of high crime in the ward http://maps.met.police.uk/access.php?area=E01000931&sort=rate&order=a
    interestingly I live very close to the park but saw nothing of this until the lib dems put a flyer through my door.. no notice from VP to attend the Valentines day hearing and as of the weekend there were no notices up in the park. Since then some have been erected but not at all entrances/exits. (The park was rammed by the way so think of local demand during the Olympics for space). VP has also asked for dispensation to be above 75db sound level used at other comparable venues (which he considers to be Hyde Park, Finsbury Park, Victoria Park, Hackney Marshes, Moor Park Preston and Heaton Park Manchester. Draw your own conclusion there but the smallest of those is @20 times the size of KGP. VP wants to have flexibility for late-night opening for ‘key Irish Olympic events’.. maybe there is some scheduling I am unaware of or maybe late night star-gazing has become an Olympic event! I for one enjoy using our local park and the thought of losing it to listen to any form of music for 18 days and nights (let alone irish folk music!) is enough to make me want to hang myself from those Olympic rings floating down the Thames currently. FYI VP floated his business on the AIM market last year, I think the motivations and considerations here are clear.

  2. “too late, too noisy, and goes on for too long” – you’re absolutely correct. my employer in Canary Wharf is encouraging us to work from home during the games. This really isn’t going to make my life easy. I live on Kingsgate Rd, 480m from the site, so no wonder I haven’t been consulted. I don’t think 250m is far enough. It will impact on much wider a geographical area, especially our road.

  3. Sounds good to me. A variety of music wouldn't go a miss though. I'm a family of four 20m from the park and welcome a party atmosphere for this once in a life time event.

  4. Kilburn grange park is just not comparable to the other London parks he describes, it’s a small park surrounded by residents. It’s not designed for such an event, without going into the obvious regarding disturbances for the local residents, the park will be out of use for 25 days over the summer, and the surrounding roads are just not able to deal with the huge increase in cars that this event will bring. West end lane is bad enough at the best of times and residential streets off it definitely can’t cope with the big increase in traffic it will bring. He’s chosen the wrong park for this event, I’m not sure any of the bigger parks that would have less noise disturbance and also be able to keep enough open for the public would even allow this event.

  5. There are also at least 2 nurseries adjacent the park – on Palmerston Road, one of them backing directly onto the grange. Apart from the fact that having to walk to the nursery with a baby past the gates can feel too threatening (with 5,000 people + alcohol some degree of antisocial behaviour is inevitable), the poor babies/toddlers need their naps during the day! the loud music disturbing their sleep for 18 days can have negative effects on their health and wellbeing. Many of us will not have the option of keeping them at home and not going to work!

  6. The parking is a mess in W. Hampstead.
    Look what they’ve done to Iverson Road.
    Check out the Streetview picture before they renovated the station:
    http://g.co/maps/jqcmp
    Yep, thats lots of single yellow parking, and some pay&display on the right.
    Now all the single yellow has gone, only to be replaced by double-yellow. There are only a few pay&display bays, instead there are lots of specialist bays which are never used.
    I want those double-yellow lines to be replaced with pay&display. It’s off the main road, will provide quick and easy access to the high street and allow us drivers to quickly pop out and grab something.
    And to all of you in the anti-car brigade, constantly going on about how well serviced W. Hampstead is by public transport. Yes, it is, but come on those weekends when the Overground and the Jubilee aren’t running (which is often) and the whole area is a ghost town

  7. WHampstead prompted me via Twitter to post a bit of an update on this, following a public meeting on the Festival on Tuesday night at Kingsgate Community Centre which VP and three of his staff attended. I was there with my ward colleagues Thomas Gardiner and Maryam Eslamdoust (for the record, we’ve put in an objection as ward councillors).

    It was a well-attended meeting, with about 30-40 residents at any one time (the meeting had been combined with the Webheath TRA’s AGM, and advertised across the estate). What was clear was that most of those attending, and all of those speaking were against. Concerns covered the range of issues expressed above – losing use of the park, the late hours of operation, noise nuisance, anti-social behaviour spilling over from the secure area, parking problems, crowd dispersal.

    What – sort of – emerged during the meeting was that VP had changed the terms of the application from those originally advertised – although it took about three requests to get those out in the opening. This was strange in itself, as one would have thought that decreasing capacity and hours in response to public comments was a Good Thing that one would want to set out from the start.

    Those changes are that maximum capacity will be no more than 2,000; the event will now close at 12:00am weekdays (1:00am Fri and Sat); and that only 10 days of activity applied for (although it’s not clear whether the site would still be taking up space over the same period of time. There was also some confusion as to where the organised exit from the site would be. The original application had visitors exiting onto the High Road by the Black Lion; the suggestion at the meeting was that this would now be Palmerston Street (by Nando’s). This would mean walking through Webheath estate; a bizarre suggestion.

    What struck me was that despite going out of his way to point out that he wasn’t legally obliged to organise a public meeting in the Black Lion, or come to this meeting, VP’s general lack of interest in showing any sympathy with reasonable points being made reasonably, and his sometimes quite aggressive response to questioners, really undermined the point of trying to engage with residents at all. Rather than accepting that there will be disruption but arguing that it would be worth it, and asking how he could make life for local people as easy as possible, VP didn’t want to acknowledge any impact at all.

    This application has received around 60 objections (a large amount for any application); it will definitely go to a Licensing Panel of councillors for adjudication, probably in early April (5 April has been mentioned as a possible date). I’ll tweet and post here when the date is – the meetings are public, but I believe that only those who have already lodged an objection have the right to speak. The panel can approve or reject outright, or they can impose conditions which may or may not make the event unviable as a business proposition.

    Alongside the licensing application, there’s also the question of hiring the park from Camden. The organisers would definitely pay a deposit which would be used to repair any wear-and-tear on the fabric of the park from the event. I’ve also asked the event officers to look at how/if we could levy an additional charge which recognises the huge loss of amenity for local people (taking the main bit of the park out of action for nearly three weeks during the school holidays) and could somehow be used as compensation. Not sure if/how this could happen, and of course, it only is relevant if the application is passed.

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