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Mario’s brothers offer modern or classic — 10 Comments

  1. Thanks for keeping your followers informed about such developments in West Hampstead.

    On the filming on Kingsgate Road I think if you google BBC Films Pride you will get the answer – seems to fit.
    Sorry, inappropriate place to post this but don't have twitter account, so feel free to delete after you've checked.

  2. Not sure if I’m the only one, but I feel the so-called “contemporary” style is completely out of keeping with the surroundings and would date quickly. The “traditional” version despite looking a little odd wearing its strange crown would at least look as if an effort had been made to match the surroundings once this current architectural style has moved on. I’m surprised the council allegedly favour the contemporary versions given WHamp is indeed within a conservation area.

    • I couldn’t agree more. I would much rather the traditional design was built than the contemporary design, which I doubt would age well. I too am surprised that Camden favoured the contemporary design (if it’s true) and question why they would do this.

      I’m rather worried about the creation of two big shop units as they would most likely end up in the hands of big corporations (and Broadhurst Gardens is mainly a residential street). I think more smaller shop units should be a priority.

      I would like to know if there would be any restrictions on the residents of the 39 flats applying for parking permits (will this be a “Car Free” development?) as there’s already a real problem with parking in the area and I note that no off street parking has been included in this development.

    • I think it’s less a question of number of floors and more of total height. The exhibition boards show clearly what the line of the existing builing is against the proposals. The existing flats no doubt have lovely high ceilings, while the new ones will presumably be much lower, so point taken that it’s moving from three to five storeys, but the additional height is only one (recessed) floor.

      On the bulk, it’s certainly going to be a bulkier building, but that will be apparent more at the side and back than at the front, so the scale of Broadhurst itself won’t be affected too much. The buildings the other side of the road are also higher than the existing block, so I’m not sure that there’s a strong argument on height here.

      These things always come down to money of course, with none of the units planned for sale, the return on the development costs is going to come from commercial leases and rents, so no doubt that’s pushing the high number of flats – I agree that these are going to be very small with limited amenities (a nod for the more contemporary design, which at least offers some outdoor space for some flats), and this is something no doubt the council will consider.

  3. I do not agree that a traditional design will “date” less quickly than a modern design. If one looks at most traditional copies of older buildings it is usually fairly obvious which decade they were constructed in as they are never exact copies of the original. I think it is far preferable to have a good example of well designed modern architecture than a poorly designed pastiche. We should be encouraging good modern buildings not persuading planners to just allow bland copies which are supposed to blend in with their neighbours but in reality will stand out anyway. “To every age its art and to every art its freedom” should still apply. New buildings in West Hampstead should be of the highest standard possible whether they are in a Conservation Area of not. This end of Broadhurst Gardens happens to be in a Conservation Area but the quality of existing buildings is certainly no better than many areas in the immediate vicinity which are not in a Conservation Area. If the planners do not allow A2 use there will be no estate agents in the new units. In view of the vast amount of A3 use I would prefer the new retail units to be limited to A1 use.

  4. Sorry, but it is misleading to say that the developers propose to add one storey. At present the building has a ground floor commercial unit and two floors of residential above. The proposal is to have four floors of residential above a commercial unit, albeit with the top floor set back. There will be more than twice the number of flats and the bulk of block will be much greater than the existing building. The rhythm and scale of buildings in Broadhurst Gardens will be changed. The Railway pub is a tall building and is a suitable corner anchor at the junction of West End Lane but other buildings in Broadhurst Gardens are lower. Building a new 5 storey building on the site of Mario’s will mean that the recording studios will be dwarfed. It is an effort to squeeze as many small flats onto the site as possible without any amenity space or effort at good design. It looks as if entrance to some of the flats will be down a side passage but those are probably the ones designated for social housing! If Camden allows this scheme to be passed it will encourage any other owners of shops and upper parts to demolish them and double the amount of residential accommodation above. The building may be structurally unsound and in need of replacement but please replace it with a building of similar bulk, 3 upper floors with the top floor a recessed mansard or set back from a parapet at the very most.

    • I think it’s less a question of number of floors and more of total height. The exhibition boards show clearly what the line of the existing builing is against the proposals. The existing flats no doubt have lovely high ceilings, while the new ones will presumably be much lower, so point taken that it’s moving from three to five storeys, but the additional height is only one (recessed) floor.

      On the bulk, it’s certainly going to be a bulkier building, but that will be apparent more at the side and back than at the front, so the scale of Broadhurst itself won’t be affected too much. The buildings the other side of the road are also higher than the existing block, so I’m not sure that there’s a strong argument on height here.

      These things always come down to money of course, with none of the units planned for sale, the return on the development costs is going to come from commercial leases and rents, so no doubt that’s pushing the high number of flats – I agree that these are going to be very small with limited amenities (a nod for the more contemporary design, which at least offers some outdoor space for some flats), and this is something no doubt the council will consider.

  5. Having looked at the two designs, it seems a bit odd that the Camden planners are so keen on the contemporary design. If you are going to replace a red-brick building in a conservation area, surely you should seek to replace it with something similar rather than starkly different? On the information provided, it looks like the contemporary scheme will be in breach of policies in the draft Neighbourhood Plan. I imagine most people would also want a red-brick building, particularly to fit in with the ENO building next door.

  6. On a separate topic, its a shame that ENO – or whoever owns the building that ENO occupy – cannot spend a bit of money tidying up what could be a very nice exterior, or indeed a few hours just cleaning up the rubbish outside!

  7. The existing building on the site has no particular architectural merit. Why can’t we replace a mediocre building with a much better new building rather than something of similar poor design?Every new building does not need to be a copy of what it is replacing. The best examples of modern architecture are not copies. The queues during Open London Weekend were outside starkly modern innovative buildings which exhibited the highest quality of design not outside mock Victorian facades.

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