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One afternoon on Liddell Road — 11 Comments

  1. When have Camden ever behaved in an 'exemplary manner'
    They are quite happy to change the use of land to accommodate developers as well as their own core policies and strategies.
    Shaping Camden document 2011 ;managing the impacts of growth and development and protecting the amenity of residents, workers and visitors ,supporting town centres and shops. It goes on ……..

  2. An incredibly biased and partisan view of the situation from WHL and the author. No attempt at balance, or taking in contrary viewpoints at all.

    Whilst a healthy local business community is desirable and drives a local economy, provision by local Councils of facilities to do so is not a statutory duty – indeed some Councils do nothing at all.

    Provision of school places – whether in an academy or a state school – *IS* a statutory duty, for which Camden could be taken to court, fined, and even sanctioned further. This is one solution to the problem, albeit one that is (understandably) unpopular with the present tenants at Liddell Road.

    Branko Viric has been brandishing a letter he wrote to Camden claiming there were 250 jobs at stake on the estate, with little or no contributory evidence himself. Perhaps he is counting in suppliers and other businesses – the Council visited the site a while back and found a grand total of 80 people working there. Why the massive difference ? Because Branko (and the Council) obviously have a vested interest in it being as high (or low) as possible. A new school on the site and a smaller industrial estate, together with 100 or so homes would contribute a certain number of jobs – why don’t we look at the net loss or gain ?

    What Camden is doing is not illegal – indeed the tenants on the industrial estate all have contracts allowing for a break clause and the Council is invoking this (and not renewing leases as they fall due). Whether it is moral or advisable is only something a politician can decide. I do think it is somewhat disingenuous of ward members to campaign against this when the reality is that, were they in power, they would almost certainly back it.

    • You’re going to have to be a bit more specific about where I’m being biased and partisan. It’s an article about people having to relocate their businesses. It states clearly that the school places are needed. It’s part of a series of articles I’ve written about the topic, which also include a long article by Camden councillor Theo Blackwell explaining the situation from the council’s perspective.

      I will add more links back to the previous articles so people can see it’s part of a series; although frankly the piece stands alone – it’s simply writing up the reaction of traders to what’s happening.

      In every article I’ve explained that everyone accepts that the school places are needed, but that the council has yet to furnish us with how it’s come to the 80 jobs number.

      I acknowledge in this piece that the real jobs number is likely to be between 80 and 250, although Branko does have a detailed file of how he came to that number, which I’ll delve into once I get the numbers from Camden.

      The first piece I wrote on this talked explicitly about net gain/loss of jobs; this article is specifically about the people.

      There is no suggestion whatsoever in the piece that Camden is doing anything illegal, so not sure why you feel the need to make that point.

      So, as I say, it would good to know exactly where you think I’m being partisan and unbiased, and it would be interesting to know whether you have your own affiliations – posting as Anonymous makes it impossible to tell.

    • None of the homes will be affordable housing , which goes against Camden’s own policies . 100 new homes , sounds not many , but if you put it in context it is being built amongst nearly 1000 new homes. People who work here tend to spend money in West Hampstead ,during the week unlike people who live here , who seem to go else where to shop . We have already lost jobs on the Ballymore site , Handrail house , the nursery , and in the future Travis Perkins and Builders depot , to name but a few. Its about seeing the bigger picture . What is the point of Camden spending £1000s on policy document s if they then don’t abide them or having endless consultations , where the council do what ever they want anyway at the end of them . We need families with less kids (my child is at school where 5 siblings is the norm ) and sites for all sorts of businesses . I don’t want to be in a position where the only place I can get my car fixed is Brent cross etc. We have lost most of the interesting shops in West Hampstead , Camden council must start thinking of how to help small businesses , not contribute to them shutting down . I have always found WHL to be extremely informative and very un bias , Im glad the people on Liddle road have been allowed to put their views forward , we hear quite enough from the councillor’s and Camden council. It doesn’t matter if it is 8 , 80 or 250 , it is still too many jobs to lose . Most people are not against development , but it must be done responsibly , something Camden seems capable of doing so far in West Hampstead .

    • Totally agree with the point about ensuring the development is done responsibly. The council isn’t CPO-ing freeholds here, but ending/expiring leases on land people rent from it. Remember councillors are local residents too and we have great sympathy and want to work with anyone impacted to help them relocate – decision-makers are making a call in good faith and that should be respected in our discussion. So I don’t see how a letter on the new Funding Circle loan scheme is a “bureaucratic cock-up” (should we not have sent them the same letter to everyone? What message does that send if we didn’t?) nor is there back-slapping – as I explained there are limited options to provide a school here, or not at all, but doing so involves trade-offs. There aren’t any “management consultants” wordsmithing for the council either, although admittedly language can be quite dry and appear insensitive. Also, previous talk of council £3m “profit” from this doesn’t consider what happens to the money – general fund property money raised is invested back in schools and community facilities and housing land into new council housing or repairs: just as the surplus from another development somewhere else (or borough capital reserves) funded the new building at Emmanuel school in WHamp.

      Anyway, we get to look at all of these questions again in the New Year, and planning questions during the planning process, so there is plenty of time to explore all of this further and hopefully seek more detailed understanding and improvement to the proposal.

    • Hi Theo, once again, thank you for taking the time to respond to the issues.

      The recipient of the Funding Circle letter certainly saw it a bureaucratic error – it suggests that one part of the council doesn’t know what the other part is doing (fairly common in large organisations, so not really a criticism). A letter to a business that’s being booted out of its premises that wishes it every success with no reference to its immediate predicament is unlikely to sit well with those who receive it – it’s a sort of accidental insenstivity, which for the traders unfortunately reinforces their view that Camden isn’t on their side (whatever the actual content of the letter).

      As to the back-slapping, I’m afraid that when I watched the webcast of the cabinet meeting some members were rather gushing about the achievements (wihch as I said, are indeed impressive), but with no acknowledgement of the negative side-effects. Maybe we are supposed to take that as read, but in these public pronouncements it behoves councillors to think carefully about what they do/don’t say.

      Apologies if I implied management consultants were involved, that wasn’t my intention – rather to point out that the language does, as you say, often feel dry and insensitive.

      I completley recognise – and have made the point clearly in other articles – that these are not easy decisions and it is politicians’ job to make them. We can’t please everyone, I know.

      I look forward to seeing more about the proposals in the New Year – and to seeing those detailed job figures, which don’t seem to have materialised yet, but should not be forgotten. Perhaps that’s something you could ping an e-mail to the relevant person about?

  3. I’m the Anonymous that “WHampstead18 December 2013 12:53” posted about.

    You state “You’re going to have to be a bit more specific about where I’m being biased and partisan” – the whole article! It reeks of unfettered oppositionism. You interview and evidence solely the cons of the project, not the pros. If it was an opinion piece, I’d perhaps understand, but you labour under the misapprehension that you’re somehow providing balance, when that clearly isn’t the case.

    Whilst I agree with you that it’s an article about people having to relocate their businesses, you adopt a tone that doubts any of the evidence that the Council provides. If you honestly think that stating school places are needed and then unilaterally discard the only realistic option of providing them, then how can I or anyone else reading this come to any other opinion other than you have written a biased piece of reportage.

    Whilst you state that “everyone accepts that the school places are needed” – almost all articles then go on to suggest a wide variety of scatterbrained schemes to provide this, all of which anyone independent would dismiss out of hand – 156 West End Lane being a case in point – completely inappropriate for a school and bound to cause myriad traffic and parking problems that would make Liddell Road look like a walk in the park but touted far and wide by traders like Gospodin Viric as a panacea to all our school place problems. The council I am sure will you furnish you with how they came to the 80 jobs number – I’m not sure Mr Viric will give us the source of his vastly inflated figures, though. .

    You also have to consider that if Liddell Road isn’t taken by Kingsgate, the likelihood would be that the “NW6 for Nice Middle Class Churchgoing Children and Absolutely No Scratters from Brent Or Kilburn Secondary School” would be next in line to grab hold of the land. But, since WHL seems to unilaterally back this scheme, maybe you’d be slightly less hostile..

    When you state “there is no suggestion whatsoever in the piece that Camden is doing anything illegal”, so that’s why some of the traders are taking Camden to court, then, because they, er, observed the law ? This is why I “feel the need to make that point”.

    My affiliations ? I work locally and have experience in the field, and now when a campaign is being run that has little or no evidence to support it. My anonymous status is because my employers may take a dim view of my postings.

    • This will take two comments to respond to
      “The whole article reeks of unfettered oppositionism” is precisely the sort of non-specific answer that worries me.
      You write: “You interview and evidence solely the cons of the project not the pros”. As I said in my first response, this article forms part of a series. This includes a full unedited response from Camden council – not sure how I’m supposed to be more unbiased? This particular article is about the businesses that are almost certainly going to have to relocate or close – from their perspective there are no pros. I discuss why the new school is needed in an earlier piece, and mention it again here.

      You write: “It adopts a tone that doubts any of the evidence the council provides”. This piece set out explicitly to reflect the views of the traders. I have already written a piece that asks to see that evidence. Do you think it is unreasonable that when jobs are being lost the responsible body shouldn’t be transparent about how it’s come to its findings. I don’t believe you are someone who always accepts everything you are told.

      You write: “If you think that school places are needed and then unilaterally discard the only realistic option of providing them…” Where do I do that? Every article acknowledges the school places are needed, no article unilaterally discards the Liddell Road option – I do question which other options have been looked at; again, it seems reasonable to ask to see the evidence when the impact is so negative for one group of people. Do you disagree?

      I write that the traders’ campaign: “…may be a futile cause. Sadly, in a dense urban environment and in these times of austerity, it’s rarely going to be possible to please everyone. The school places are needed, but the traders on the estate are finding it hard to see their future somewhere else and don’t feel the council has explained clearly enough why this is the only solution.” You’ll need to explain to me how that is unilaterally discarding this option. I read it as saying “this is likely to be the final outcome and it may be the right one, but that’s of no comfort for the traders”. What here do you disagree with?

      You write: “Whilst you state that “everyone accepts that the school places are needed” – almost all articles then go on to suggest a wide variety of scatterbrained schemes to provide this”. Almost all articles might, but this one does not. The only alternative scheme any of my articles have given any credence to is the Kingsgate Workshop idea, and my comments there were hardly wholeheartedly supportive – once again, they ask to see how Camden has come to its decisions. Theo responded to this, and I accept his points. The 156 WEL idea is clearly not viable and nowhere do I support it. Please don’t criticise me based on what other people write.

    • You write: “The council I am sure will furnish you with how they came to the 80 jobs number – I’m not sure Mr Viric will give us the source of his vastly inflated figures”. I’m still waiting for the council document – I’m hoping that it materialises once everyone is back from the holidays. Mr Viric has a binder that he offered to give me, but I said I’d wait until I had the council numbers so I could compare. As I say in this piece, I don’t believe either number is correct, but it will be interesting to see how the two parties have produced their figures. Hopefully I don’t have to go through the FOI process to get Camden’s.

      Your comment that WHL “seems to unilaterally back” the NW6 Free School campaign is so risible that it’s unworthy of a response and merely reinforces an impression that you have a specific axe to grind.

      Your penultimate paragraph confuses me. Your initial comment from before Christmas mentioned this thing about Camden not acting illegally even though I never implied it was. It was an odd thing to write – and now you tell me that some of the traders are taking Camden to court? That’s news to me – you are well informed. Once again, it’s some sort of criticism of my writing based on something I didn’t write and in this case didn’t know about.

      All of which makes your anonymity even more intriguing. Your passion for this story implies far more than a passing interest, but it seems we will never know who you are or why you are quite so exercised by my writing – I reiterate, one article in a series about what is a contentious topic.

      What I find most baffling is that your attitude towards the traders – and the Virics in particular – seems to imply that you think they are behaving badly. Whether or not you think that a primary school is a better use of this land than the businesses that are there today, and whether or not you think Camden has behaved impeccably, it seems unduly cold-hearted not to feel some sympathy for people whose livelihoods are being turned upside down by the decision.

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