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Liddell Road: Show your workings — 9 Comments

  1. Expected but can I plead for just a little perspective here and nod to what I considered to be a good consultation with NW6 people?

    The matters you state were all dealt with in depth at Cabinet and over the last few months – available on the webcast, including the point about consultation. It seems from public statements that for political reasons the Lib Dems really don’t like the idea of a school expansion of an outstanding school, and would only want a Free School, despite the provider being unknown and there being no extra money, which itself is pretty ideological. That’s quite a big decision to make on behalf of local people they haven’t consulted so perhaps you can pose the same question to them?

    Camden is in the odd position of having schools and housing money taken away by the Lib Dems in government and then attacked by them for not having enough money to build schools and housing in wards they represent.

    It is generally accepted that if you provide a school or a community facility on a planning site, then affordable housing or other benefits will diminish: this happens everywhere else and the reason is affordability.

    Camden has shown it workings, and will do so again – but don’t you think it is now incumbent on the Lib Dems to tell us how they would pay for the school as the site isnt big enough for a school, all the existing businesses and affordable homes? Their silence on this, and their real confusion and mistakes over school funding, suggests there may be something more going on here than community concern about the consultation process.

    • I’d just like to thank you Theo Blackwell for engaging thoughtfully with criticism, though it would be helpful to leave the party politics out of this.

      The people of Camden don’t care about the lib dems, free schools, the unfair and twisted funding system and party political cat fights, they care about an education for their children, and over half of them currently send children outside the borough – that’s pretty shocking.

    • Thanks for taking the time to respond. It would be fantastic if Camden could circulate the relevant documents so we can see them – especially on the jobs issue. I will certainly go and look at the webcast to see which other questions that addresses. Hopefully it explains why some/all of that £3m surplus couldn’t be directed towards some affordable housing on site?

      I agree that any alternative would need to be costed up, and I accept that this solution may well be the best one. However, I also think it’s incumbent on the people making the decision to ensure everyone understands that they have gone through the most rigorous procedures possible in order to reach this decision when so many people’s livelihoods are at stake. You only need to speak to the people on the estate to see that this is not the case. Perhaps I could arrange for you to meet them? They’re a remarkably friendly bunch considering.

      It’s a shame if this becomes a party political issue. The businesses on the estate don’t particularly see it that way, and almost universally they accept that school places are needed.

      I am not party political, and I can imagine that council officers have indeed worked hard to solve the equation. Nevertheless, my heart sinks when I see yet more of West Hampstead’s mixed economy and demography being eroded and I would like to feel more confident than I do in how decisions with that outcome have been reached. You can complain about political stirring, but anyone who wants to enact change of this scale needs to bend over backwards to explain it to the people most affected, even if that means repeating yourself, republishing documents, and rearguing the case. Blaming party politics belittles the impact this has on people’s lives – both those schoolchildren without classrooms, and the tradespeople without workshops.

    • Well, the party political points first started appearing on this site so it’s only fair for us to try and set the record straight here as well – especially when trade-offs we have to make are getting a bumpy ride due to factors largely beyond our control.

      We didn’t rush into this and our over-riding concern here is to get solutions for local parents, businesses and invest in public services in NW6 given that we will all live with austerity budgets for the rest of the decade.

      We’re reaching out to the traders and helping them if they want help, I can’t think of examples where other landlords would do this with tenants they rent properties to, but, as I said, there’s limited land in this area to sort the problems that we see and Anonymous talks about.

    • You’re going to have to help me out on where the party political points started appearing on this site – at least in terms of what I write. Just looked back over the first two pieces I wrote on this story, and can’t see any mention of political parties at all.

      I work hard to ensure that these pages don’t have political bias so if you feel I’ve erred, then I’d appreciate a more specific reference. I have, after all, given you an entire article to state your case.

      I personally find the implication that local residents can’t have thoughts of their own without being influenced by local councillors somewhat insulting. I’m interested in transparency of facts, and I appreciate that you have taken the time to elaborate on many of the issues that have been raised.

      Do please send over the detail of the jobs survey when possible – would be great to cross-reference that with the traders’ stats to try and find where the discrepancy has occurred.

    • Well the erroneous ‘ideological’ motivation point has been used – when we’re really trying to get the best solution.

      (Also, not wanted to pick up on every point, but I’ve never said/implied that residents don’t have minds of their own without being influenced by local councillors – I don’t think any cllr of any party would hold that! ).

      Will get back to you on the jobs points…

  2. Thanks Jonathan for blogging on this; thanks to Theo for attempting to offer an explanation. As the Neighbourhood Development Forum has sought to explain to council officers all along, the current proposal has a number of flaws and is a long way from having the support of the majority of the community. Everyone agrees on the need for additional school places – but not everyone agrees that a primary school should have two sites a mile apart; not everyone agrees that hundreds of local jobs and dozens of businesses have to go; not everyone agrees that a housing development of 120+ new homes should have 0% affordable housing; and not everyone agrees that Camden Council should be making a profit of £3 million from this development. There are number of other options that have been put forward – but these don’t appear to have been considered by anyone at the Town Hall. There’s also been a distinct lack of consultation and engagement about these proposals (flying in the face of the promises about consultation and engagement in the Camden Plan). It’s a shame party political mud-slinging has to dominate this debate. Most people in West Hampstead aren’t party political – so why not let’s have a rethink, and work together to find a solution that benefits our community and has widespread support in our community?

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